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Monday, November 5, 2007

Expectations and Branding

This is a follow up post regarding LULU as this has generated the most discussion. I believe this club is working well if you have to defend your thesis and in my opinion this is time well spent not "navel gazing". If this was a no-brainer then maybe I've missed the point.

The issue boils down to the fact that you believe that LULU is a strong brand and will continue to grow like other strong brands. This takes some level of forecasting and your confidence in it is maybe your 'investment bias'. My investment bias is that I am pessimistic about whether this is as strong a brand as other growth companies before it. I suppose only time will tell.

The second thing that guides me in my investing is expectation. As you know I'm not a great believer in EMH (efficient market hypothesis), but mostly that doesn't matter. If LLL is suffering from overhype be it from management, analysts, or the masses, then maybe it is over valued. The only thing that will propel this further is its growth in its brand. i.e. good earnings growth and not P/E expansion. There is a pratical limit to P/E expansion as there is with earnings growth (althought I don't know where this limit is)

Now with its recent drop last week, I believe sentiment maybe changing. A number of analysts have downgraded LLL to 'neutral' and UBS has downgraded it to sell. I love these analysts because they are almost always late and mostly wrong especially at turning points. Here is a link to the downgrade: http://www.newratings.com/analyst_news/article_1637586.html

This is when I love to do my investing. When the sentiment is down on a particular industry or stock. This maybe the best opportunity for this 'growth' stock with analyst downgrades and general market gyrations.

2 Comments:

At November 5, 2007 at 11:30 PM , Blogger Junk Bonds said...

"only time will tell"?? If that's not navel gazing, I don't know what is.
Analyst downgrade? Let's definitely stay away from this dog!
Due diligence? why bother?!
We said this club would be open to investing styles yet here you are pontificating about your "beef with valuing growth companies."
So are you never going to vote for growth stock? This could be an issue.
You are pessimistic that this is a strong brand, based on what? That some ladies who won't wear LULU? Ignoring 10+ years of successful growth is simply historical revisonism just to defend a personal investing style bias.

So to recap, PE is meaningless for high growth retailers, since they are reinvesting their earnings to grow the firm. Revenue growth is everything in retail. Once they have spent the capital expenditures to open new stores (equipment, inventory, location), they just wait for the sales to grow (SSS) and watch the profits roll in.

Anyways, I see the recent dip to buy a growth stock at a good price. Not sure if Peter wants to take a vote or just stay as the silent partner.
Are there some other investing ideas? Or is there only one stock in our club?

 
At November 6, 2007 at 7:35 AM , Blogger Des said...

I'm actually coming around to agreeing with you on this one (LLL) but I suppose my pessimism is still coming across!

There have been no comments about my Ng investment idea, so I gather there is no interest.

 

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